I cant beleive it.

**jeb** · 29-10-2012, 06:29 PM

omegamike wrote,...."Incidentally, it was the Common Market that we joined in the 1970's, & it wasn't until 1993 (Treaty of Maastricht) that we entered the European Union - and once again I can't for the life of me remember voting on it!!!!!!! co's we didn't."
OH ! so very true, and it was John Major wasn`t it that appointed himself to go point to lead us by the nose into the EU slaughter house. ?

**omegamike** · 29-10-2012, 07:01 PM

Without actually saying too much otherwise I'll end up in the slammer!!!! If the UK, France or Germany left the EU tomorrow it would collapse overnight! makes you wander if they have a 'funny hand shake' deal NOT to leave the EU under any circumstances - Hmmmmmm!!!!??

**Kyle** · 29-10-2012, 08:22 PM

you could argue theres 33 degrees of answers - just off to hang up a picture ...now wheres that masonry drill

**audiolab** · 29-10-2012, 10:22 PM

good posts fellas ,the only politics im interested in is the u.k civil war coinage

**minty fresh** · 30-10-2012, 12:07 AM

There is no such thing as "Utopia" Revolution has never made the poor man any richer or better off, it only benefited those in control, wealth will never be distributed evenly by anyone who pulls the strings, Conflict is part of human nature no matter who gives the orders, the destruct button for us all was pushed at the start of the industrial revolution and our planet is slowly choking to death on the toxic waste we continue to produce while we rape the planet of all its natural resources, if you all want to apportion blame then blame Mankind. JMO peace.

**Davidhod** · 30-10-2012, 08:57 AM

Anyway, Captain... Prisoners and the vote is a stupid row, prisoners get some of their rights taken away anyway, so I'm hoping someone somewhere will be sensible and just say no.

As for whether the current management of the BBC should be held responsible for what some blokes off the telly once did. Errm... no. I think the estate of the late Jimmy Savile should be fair game for compensation though. And that Gary Glitter should be "Questioned" by some old fashioned '70s coppers.

**jeb** · 30-10-2012, 10:31 AM

Davidhod wrote,....."As for whether the current management of the BBC should be held responsible for what some blokes off the telly once did. Errm... no."

I would agree . So why is the present UK being held "responsible" for the Victorians past Colonialism ?

Also other idiotic happenings as late , such as .......The murderous "veteran" African Kenyan Mau Mau`s being granted "unbelievably eligibility " for COMPENSATION off the present UK government for past interrogation so called "inappropriate methods " by the British ??? What is going on in this ludicrous world ?They were a murderous bunch who valued human life below that of worms . They didn`t think twice about killing any opposition by the most cruel & barbaric methods . Hacking limbs off, disembowelling, decapitation was all ,everyday occurrences with them.. So, they were interrogated as necessary.Now they cry foul for the British fighting fire with fire.

**swissrolly** · 30-10-2012, 10:54 AM

What with all this Jimmy Savile stuff going on, people seem to forget that Rolf Harris did Two Little Boys in the 1970s !

**fertler** · 30-10-2012, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by jeb

Davidhod wrote,....."As for whether the current management of the BBC should be held responsible for what some blokes off the telly once did. Errm... no."

I would agree . So why is the present UK being held "responsible" for the Victorians past Colonialism ?

Also other idiotic happenings as late , such as .......The murderous "veteran" African Kenyan Mau Mau`s being granted "unbelievably eligibility " for COMPENSATION off the present UK government for past interrogation so called "inappropriate methods " by the British ??? What is going on in this ludicrous world ?They were a murderous bunch who valued human life below that of worms . They didn`t think twice about killing any opposition by the most cruel & barbaric methods . Hacking limbs off, disembowelling, decapitation was all ,everyday occurrences with them.. So, they were interrogated as necessary.Now they cry foul for the British fighting fire with fire.

I believe it is all down to the cretinous human rights stuff laid down by the Eurocrats - maybe we should rename them as Europrats. Sooner we are out of anything except the trade agreements the better!
Barrie.

**Captainpugwash** · 30-10-2012, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by omegamike

Oppps apologies Capt

I seem to be going off topic? sorry. But I do have strong feelings as far as the EU is concerned having worked in "EU circles" for the best part of 20 years

No problem Mike, interesting reading.

**biggus mickus** · 30-10-2012, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by jeb

The sooner the better our MP`s come to their senses and give us the referendum on getting out of the EU mad house they`ve been stalling for years over letting us have . Lets get back to ruling our own destiny and not letting a bunch of Horse eaters decide our destiny for us ,the sooner the better it will be for the UK .
In the early days of Ted Heath forwarding us into a TRADE EXCHANGE by going into Europe that was a total different vision as to what its ended up being. We Entered to Trade only and NOT be governed by the Euro fat Cats who them selves have never been democratically voted into office . Democracy as we in the UK know it , is being shrouded by a veiled Dictation. Lets get hell out of the Looney clutches of this Belgium run dictatorial Empire.

Politicians carnt come to their senses as their all locked up for fiddling the system, best place for them.