I cant beleive it.

[Captainpugwash]

Im watching Andrew Mar on the TV he is on about Europe wanting the UK to give convicted prisoners the right vote, what a laugh, it beggars belief, lets face it probably 99.9% of them when they are free wouldnt even get out of bed to vote, I doubt if they are even on the Electoral roll, I dont think the majority of them would even know who the present Prime Minister is.
Another topic on there, is the Jimmy Saville scandal, its been said that those who were abused are instructing solicitors to claim damages/compensation for them, they reckon the figure would be in the millions. Its looking like the BBC are responsible for alot of it. When compensation is paid out I certainly hope that the money dosent come out of the cash we pay for our TV licences. Its just been anounced that Gary Glitter as been arrested and is in police custody.

[jon_jn]

when i was little jim fixed it for me to milk a cow blindfolded

[Captainpugwash]

when i was little jim fixed it for me to milk a cow blindfolded

[dave9]

The thing is Captain the UK are the only nation who take's any notice of EU law's,it's a joke.Prisoner's should not have a vote.We will end up paying for Jimmy Saville's crime's and as for Gary Glitter, chop off his ..............

[jeb]

The sooner the better our MP`s come to their senses and give us the referendum on getting out of the EU mad house they`ve been stalling for years over letting us have . Lets get back to ruling our own destiny and not letting a bunch of Horse eaters decide our destiny for us ,the sooner the better it will be for the UK .
In the early days of Ted Heath forwarding us into a TRADE EXCHANGE by going into Europe that was a total different vision as to what its ended up being. We Entered to Trade only and NOT be governed by the Euro fat Cats who them selves have never been democratically voted into office . Democracy as we in the UK know it , is being shrouded by a veiled Dictation. Lets get hell out of the Looney clutches of this Belgium run dictatorial Empire.

[fertler]

I agree with all of the above comments! Jeb, you sure got it right about Heath. The politicians don't want us out of the corrupt European system because it is a potential way for them to continue on their gravy train! Kinnock is a prime exponent, he must have half of his family "working" there now.
Oh No!! They've got me going again........

Barrie.

[tracker]

That reminds me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9yJUOdVyUc

[audiolab]

TV license is a joke Dave ,surprised you have got a T.V mate as your mostly out detecting

[Captainpugwash]

TV license is a joke Dave ,surprised you have got a T.V mate as your mostly out detecting

I dont get out as much as id like to, Saturday was my first time out since Corfe, but being self employed no work no money.

[geoff]

Spot on Jeb!

[Kyle]

jeb i agree i want us as a united country to make our own decisions - but talking of loony tunes i think you dont need to travel to brussels for that - our own political parties are full of loonys, infact total crooks - there is an awful lot of greedy war mongering thieves on all sides of the house - infact i would suggest that the parties are the same with very little difference on the main issues between any of them.

as a people i strongly believe that we have been lied too and that we are already in - upto our necks - the peoples money has been invested by stealth and they are scared to pull out and lose it thus exposing the true extent of the corruption that has taken place leading to civil war.
Governments, local authorities, private businesses, meaning peoples taxes,pension funds,savings are all tied up in it.
the power in the world has already shifted from the west to the east in terms of finance and its all due to the captalist model and the power and corruption it brings when out of control.
wars breaking out everywhere on false pretences - propaganda fed to the millions who believe the little square hypnotist that sits with most people every evening spewing out lies.
i honestly believe that their is massive, huge troubles ahead which are unavoidable - sorry for such gloom but it is well placed....lets wait and see because nobody can do anything under our own dictatorship - democracy ......if that exsisted then why do the rich minoritys always benefit more than the everyday majoritys.
just out of interest does anyone know what the super injunction that Andrew Marr has is for?

[audiolab]

the good old wars of medieval times were mostly about land grabs and grudges ,nothing has changed then

democracy is getting rid of 1 dictator and replacing it with 1000's of dictators ahem civil servants/councillors

[Kyle]

audiolab - i agree - but in them times you could mostly see your enemys and face them head on - its all done by stealth and cowardice now....spilling others peoples blood whilst the culprits hideaway.

[omegamike]

Kyle - I spent 20 years at the Foreign & Commonwealth Office as a Cypher Officer and I can tell you that you haven't even begun to scratch the surface, most of what you say is spot on, times (x) that by 100 and you will be a little bit closer to the truth!

[Kyle]

i can guess Mike and its depressing - i have so much respect for our armed forces - i just get very upset when their blood is spilt due to the lies of the establishment.
i guess things will get much worse before people fight back.

but when run of the mill, thickos like me can see whats going on .....its only a matter of time before the fightback will start - i just hope we all unite as a nation and sniff out the crooks.

[audiolab]

Kyle - I spent 20 years at the Foreign & Commonwealth Office as a Cypher Officer and I can tell you that you haven't even begun to scratch the surface, most of what you say is spot on, times (x) that by 100 and you will be a little bit closer to the truth!

were you running numbers station E3 mike?


MIKE INDIA NOVEMBER ECHO LIMA ALPHA BRAVO ECHO TANGO ROMEO ALPHA CHARLIE

[omegamike]

That wasn't me honest, well, not that station anyway

[jeb]

Kyle, because there is always going to be very rich & gradients ,all the way down to very poor people in any society ,the status quo will remain. There is no way out of that. Its a fact of life and while your a poor man, you`ll never get around it, unless you win the lottery.
While I agree, the MP`s whoever are elected will mostly be corrupt in some form, again,there is no way around that fact of life too. So its a situation we have to abide by and play the game with unfortunately . However much none of us like it, we have to put up with no feasible alternative to it. Now being led by the nose by a bunch of "foreigners" is another thing.Totally alien to our life style as we`ve ever known it, and it needs to be eradicated sooner rather than later before we get wiped out as a culture & heritage that we`ve always had.
Did the many millions of brave soldiers in two world wars die for nothing if we allow a fistful of foreign nations to just walk in and start ruling us and all we do is roll over and get trampled on and crushed by agreement to it ? .
I think its time we (UK) took back hold of the reigns of our country and drive our own way into the future, without letting a mixed bunch of foreigners decide which direction we will go and how we will live.
We must say NO to Europe and give these Eurocrats the Scottish Clans salute , the same salute as they did under William Wallace . Drop our pants give them a full frontal tackle wiggle ,then Turn our backs on them and show them our bare asses.
Maybe then they will get the message .

[Kyle]

jeb ..i agree to some extent but i still think the other evils need addressing too.
remember ..evil prevails ...when good men do nothing.
all the issues continue the cycle - you cant fix one .....well longterm anyway - without addressing the other problems.

[Steve Bowles]

Kyle, your idealism is commendable; but your understanding of real politic is sadly wanting. The triggers that spawn war, pestilence, greed, and intolerance are, in many cases, the same attributes that permit civilization to evolve and prosper. The only difference is degree, not kind. Oil, money, power, and politicians are necessary evils in our world. To rid one's culture of these would result in devolving back to the dark ages. Witness the Middle East. The Taliban (Arabic for "student") want a pristine Islamic landscape devoid of modern liberal Western influences. They are prepared to slaughter anyone who thinks differently or acts in any way incompatable with their beliefs. If our politicians are forced to act in ways that are unpopular with the citizenry, but are essential to maintaining our way of life, then they must do what they must do. In a democracy, the people get the government they deserve. If there is always to be an England, then sometimes one must hold their nose and take the needful action. Remonstraces can come later.

[Kyle]

Steve ..thankyou for your view ...it is not mine.
its good to debate and understand some of the issues pertaining to the Middle East....but is far more complexed than we could talk about here ....you see i have no qualms saying this ....that when you have countrys like Israel and the Zionist regimes that rule them, inflicting total injustices daily on the Palenstinians - and then confess to be democratic with western ideals, you can understand the upset and outrage caused.....we in the west only need to live upto what we preach, instead of creating one law for some and another for others, for a sense of injustice to infest itself into people watching their familys slaughtered - lets just think what we would do if the same injustice was spawned onto us.
Infact look how we feel about been dictated to by brussells - people who supposdly are of the same outlooks and are of the same mold for want of a better word - we hate it, and the division it creates - pretty much how this topic began...and nobody getting bombed over this.
you seem to think well thats life...I do not.
Fair distribution of wealth is the starting point - treating people with respect - communicating truths so the world can understand the thread of the arguments and decide fair solutions.
it can be done.
extremism is on both sides and the results will never be good while those type of swings are at play.
I am a proud Englishman disgusted with the leaders of my Country and furthermore cannot identify with what is been done in my name.
I respect your right to hold your view but think its well wide of the mark.

anyway im sorry to go on in a forum for metal detecting ...i think on this we will have to agree to disagree.
lets just hope the future gets better.

[omegamike]

Kyle, your idealism is commendable; but your understanding of real politic is sadly wanting. The triggers that spawn war, pestilence, greed, and intolerance are, in many cases, the same attributes that permit civilization to evolve and prosper. The only difference is degree, not kind. Oil, money, power, and politicians are necessary evils in our world. To rid one's culture of these would result in devolving back to the dark ages. Witness the Middle East. The Taliban (Arabic for "student") want a pristine Islamic landscape devoid of modern liberal Western influences. They are prepared to slaughter anyone who thinks differently or acts in any way incompatable with their beliefs. If our politicians are forced to act in ways that are unpopular with the citizenry, but are essential to maintaining our way of life, then they must do what they must do. In a democracy, the people get the government they deserve. If there is always to be an England, then sometimes one must hold their nose and take the needful action. Remonstraces can come later.

Your taking things to the extreme? unpopular decisions are made every day in politics. Some because of monetary decisions, some political and some from downright plain ignorance of what is required by a government. Take the Bankers recently. Nothing was done, nothing. If the bankers were chastised it would have done more good than bad. God only knows why action wasn't and still isn't taken. One very important piece of history always comes to mind when I think of the Bankers and their greed......

"In 1124 Henry I called all 150 moneyers to Winchester and called them to account for their activities — 94 of them were convicted of issuing sub-standard coins and were mutilated, their right hands and one testicle being cut off, as a result of which the quality of coins improved for most of the remainder of his reign" Now that's what I call taking decisive necessary action!" If you know your history you will know that the 'moneyers' considered themselves untouchable and above everyone else including the church and King. Henry knew if the invite was from him they would smell a rat so he got the Bishop to invite them - suckers! It's no different today, they consider themselves above even the government and as such people, quite wrongly, think that if the Bankers were made to pay for their greed them Capitalism would collapse? It won't collapse at all, history has proved that..... and maybe, just maybe, if capitalism did collapse it would be a good thing? after all it has been proven not to work.

Incidentally "people get the government they deserve"? I don't think so!! I can't remember ticking a box in the election that said Conservative/Lib Dems ? And I certainly have never ticket a box asking for a European Parliament to run the UK. The sooner we leave the EU the better for all of us including the EU members.....

[Davidhod]

We have been in the European Union since the 1970s, WE are part of the process. If it's broke then WE are as much to blame as anyone else.

When we are all working on US style zero hours contracts at minimum wage and only a week off each year we'll wish we paid more attention to Europe.

As for political and monetary union.... didn't do a great deal of harm to the USA or Australia for that matter.

We could have led Europe, instead of which we are halfway in, halfway out, standing on the sidelines laughing at them while thay pull us down with them.

[omegamike]

Sorry Dave but we could NEVER lead Europe - fact! not in a million years will they let us take the reigns. We take presidency of the EU which is once every 4 or 5 years I think, but very little is done to change things, well, actually nothing is done to change things. WE are not to blame for what is happening as WE don't have a choice in the matter. I'm one of those folk who want a referendum on europe, just one question - IN or OUT?. But for some god forsaken reason government after government don't want their people to have the choice? I was once under the impression that they were there to represent the people..... until I joined the Foreign Office and my god did that open my eyes they are there for one reason only and that's to make a quick buck, jobs for the boys and sod everyone else Incidentally, it was the Common Market that we joined in the 1970's it wasn't until 1993 (Treaty of Maastricht) that we entered the European Union - and once again I can't for the life of me remember voting on it!!!!!!! co's we didn't.

[omegamike]

Oppps apologies Capt I seem to be going off topic? sorry. But I do have strong feelings as far as the EU is concerned having worked in "EU circles" for the best part of 20 years